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Faust
01-30-07, 16:03
Senators warn against war with Iran

By ANNE GEARAN, AP Diplomatic Writer 16 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Republican and Democratic senators warned Tuesday against a drift toward war with an emboldened
Iran and suggested the Bush administration was missing a chance to engage its longtime adversary in potentially helpful talks over next-door
Iraq.
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"What I think many of us are concerned about is that we stumble into active hostilities with Iran without having aggressively pursued diplomatic approaches, without the American people understanding exactly what's taking place," Sen. Barack Obama (news, bio, voting record), D-Ill., told John Negroponte, who is in line to become the nation's No. 2 diplomat as Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice's deputy.

Obama, a candidate for president in 2008, warned during the
Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing that senators of both parties will demand "clarity and transparency in terms of U.S. policy so that we don't repeat some of the mistakes that have been made in the past," a reference to the faulty intelligence underlying the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

Sen. Chuck Hagel (news, bio, voting record), R-Neb., a possible presidential candidate, asked Negroponte if he thinks the United States is edging toward a military confrontation with Tehran. In response, Negroponte repeated
President Bush's oft-stated preference for diplomacy, although he later added, "We don't rule out other possibilities."

Separately, the Navy admiral poised to lead American forces in the Middle East said Iran wants to limit America's influence in the region.

"They have not been helpful in Iraq," Adm. William Fallon told the
Senate Armed Services Committee. "It seems to me that in the region, as they grow their military capabilities, we're going to have to pay close attention to what they do and what they may bring to the table."

The Bush administration has increased rhetorical, diplomatic, military and economic pressure on Iran over the past few months, in response to Iran's alleged deadly help for extremists fighting U.S. troops in Iraq and the long-running dispute over Iran's nuclear program.

Bush said Monday the United States "will respond firmly" if Iran escalates military action in Iraq and endangers American forces. But Bush emphasized he has no intention of invading Iran.

The president also acknowledged skepticism concerning U.S. intelligence about Iran, because Washington was wrong in accusing Iraq of harboring weapons of mass destruction before the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. "I'm like a lot of Americans that say, 'Well, if it wasn't right in Iraq, how do you know it's right in Iran,'" the president said.

Washington accuses Iran of arming and training Shiite Muslim extremists in Iraq. U.S. troops have responded by arresting Iranian diplomats in Iraq, and the White House has said Bush signed an order allowing U.S. troops to kill or capture Iranians inside Iraq.

The United States also accuses Iran of secretly developing atomic weapons — an allegation Tehran denies. Iran's refusal to suspend uranium enrichment lead the
U.N. Security Council to impose limited economic sanctions.

Senators including Hagel, George Voinovich (news, bio, voting record), R-Ohio, and Joseph R. Biden Jr., D-Del., sounded frustrated with the administration's decision not to engage Iran and fellow outcast
Syria in efforts to reduce sectarian violence in Iraq.

Negroponte, a career diplomat who is leaving a higher-ranked job as the nation's top intelligence official, gave only a mild endorsement of the administration's diplomatic hands-off policy toward Damascus and Tehran.

Negroponte would lead the department's Iraq policy if confirmed, as expected. He said Syria is letting 40 to 75 foreign fighters cross its border into Iraq each month and repeated the charge that Iran is providing lethal help to insurgents fighting U.S. forces in Iraq. Iran and Syria are not helping promote stability and peace in Iraq and understand what the United States and other nation expect of them.

"I would never want to say never with respect to initiating a high-level dialogue with either of these two countries, but that's the position, as I understand it, at this time," Negroponte said.

The Senate Foreign Relations Committee is expected to approve Negroponte quickly for a job vacant since July.

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Bush Is About To Attack Iran By Paul Craig Roberts
http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1383

Zbigniew Brzezinski on the Bush War escalation; Bush may attack Iran...
http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1140

ein
01-30-07, 16:27
Stop! Stop it, I say! Stop it, or else I will be forced to ask you to 'stop it' again! :rolleyes:

Angeleyes
01-30-07, 22:14
Senators warn against war with Iran

By ANNE GEARAN, AP Diplomatic Writer 16 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Republican and Democratic senators warned Tuesday against a drift toward war with an emboldened
Iran and suggested the Bush administration was missing a chance to engage its longtime adversary in potentially helpful talks over next-door
Iraq.
ADVERTISEMENT

Zbigniew Brzezinski on the Bush War escalation; Bush may attack Iran...
http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1140
If these Senators were so smart, why'd they vote for a war in the first place?

AE

Angler
01-31-07, 05:12
I believe Bush's claims that the Iranian government is contributing to the insurgency in Iraq about as much as I believed that Saddam had WMDs and was planning to use them against the US. These are lies designed to manipulate the brainless masses into a chorus of, "The Iranians are killing our troops! Attack Iran! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!"

Now, we know the masses are stupid. But could they possibly be stupid enough to believe this propaganda after seeing that Bush et al. have already cried "wolf" once? Time will tell.

Factotum
01-31-07, 05:34
These are lies designed to manipulate the brainless masses into a chorus of, "The Iranians are killing our troops! Attack Iran! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!"

Exactly. One war of choice justifies another war of choice. Vietnam/Cambodia redux.

Angeleyes
01-31-07, 22:33
Exactly. One war of choice justifies another war of choice. Vietnam/Cambodia redux.

Does anyone but me find it curious that only now, in 2007, is the simple fact of Iranian support for various factions, and covert activity (Pasderan, other sorts) explicitly contra American stated goals and aims, suddenly elevated to something close to a casus belli? This at the same time that three years into it, someone in DC finally claims "oh, now we are serious, we are not going to keep the RoE so restrictive."

WTF? Keeping the RoE restrictive for three plus years got some damned good men killed. What, morons of DC, are you only now getting serious about your war?

What in the name of Pete is going on here?

Iran has had people mucking about in Iraq, for their own aims, since about the time the tanks rolled in 2003. All of a sudden, someone in Washington notices? What was the excuse three years ago, or two years ago, to NOT step up and arrest or shoot at Iranian agents on other than a "catch and release" policy.

This whole story line is inconsistent. It is fractured inside and out.

Who is the actual target of the deception plan? I am not sure that this is at all what it appears, nor even one level removed. There is something deeper, and I think it involves a great deal more than simply Iran and spreading a war that Congress will not vote for.

I don't think this Russian observer (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=IVA20070124&articleId=4581)has it right, as he postulates Nukes which is complete nonsense on tactical, doctrinal, and strategic grounds. However, near the end of the article, he very succinctly spells out how the information campaign is being waged, and how the pacing will match his prediction of an April breakout of hostilities between US and Iran. Some of his words make sense. I think he sees a part of the play, not the whole of it.

The whole is what is bugging me. I don't see it yet.

AE