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Petr
02-19-07, 13:06
http://creationsafaris.com/crev200702.htm#20070218a


Tangled String: Cosmology on the Brink

02/18/2007


The February cover of Astronomy Magazine poses an intriguing question: “What if string theory is wrong?” Maybe you are unfamiliar with string theory. Writer Sten Odenwald is not talking about violins or balls of string, but about the current leading theory of fundamental physics. “Superstring theory,” Odenwald explains, “is based on three ideas that remain experimentally unproven after 30 years of research: the principle of supersymmetry, additional spatial dimensions, and gravity as a force defined by the exchange of quantum particles.”

You don’t need to understand these three ideas in depth other than to know they are extremely weird. They envision exotic particles like selectrons and squarks, and physical dimensions and universes we could never know except by mathematical inference. Yet this theory is the leading candidate in an attempt to unify the forces of nature and give a physical explanation for why the universe is the way it is. It seems strange that scientists would cling to a theory that has no experimental support. Odenwald mentions that the Steady-State Cosmology held sway for some 30 years before collapsing. Is string theory, of comparable age, also on the brink?

Odenwald is not predicting an impending collapse, nor are most cosmologists. But he does ask what would happen to physics and cosmology if it turns out string theory is wrong. Here’s where the consequences are astronomical:


Without superstring theory, we’s lose the intriguing philosophical appeal for the multiverse, with its infinite and eternal creativity in spawning new universes. We’d have no mathematics for spanning the gap between everyday physics and the high energies where quantum gravity operates. The road to creating a quantum description of gravity will be a murky one.

More immediately, dark matter and dark energy would remain imponderable enigmas, shorn of any clues about where they come from. Astronomers can live without knowing the quantum properties of gravity. But to learn that 96 percent of the cosmos is unknowable would be a bitter pill for astronomers to swallow.

It would be even worse for physicists. Without a logical framework in which to pose and answer questions,, our inquiries into the fundamental aspects of the physical world would devolve into semantic quibbles.
Mathematical knowledge gained from string theory has advanced so far since the 1970s, no one is envisioning a return. Odenwald reminds readers also that general relativity had a rough time gaining experimental support at first. Still, he leaves it as an open question whether string theory will survive middle age. It’s “sobering to realize what we stand to lose if physics’ best bet proves to be a complete dead end.”


Something is terribly wrong with a theory that cannot make predictions that are experimentally verifiable, posits imponderable substances, and envisions multiple universes we can never know, just to keep the universe eternal. Earlier scientists were ridiculed for appealing to imponderable substances like caloric and phlogiston. Those were tame compared to today’s; dark matter and dark energy, extra dimensions, and multiple universes. Cosmologists claim their imponderables make up the vast bulk of reality, such that we inhabit a tiny fraction of what “must” exist.

But why must these imponderables exist? Odenwald says, “In some respects, a world without superstring theory isn’t so bad. The standard model and ordinary general relativity hold all astronomers need to describe accurately most of the phenomena they study, from galaxy evolution and supernova detonations, to the extreme physics of neutron stars and black holes.” OK, so why not leave well enough alone? Richard Feynman said, “Perhaps it is difficult for physicists to unify gravity with the other forces because nature never intended for them to be unified in the first place.”

Two motivations may be driving the superstring craze. One is the desire for a theory to be elegant. Cosmologists have found many laws that are simple and elegant, allowing a wide variety of phenomena to be expressed in simple equations. Well, that’s great, but does nature owe as an obligation to dress according to our style? This is an example of a metaphysical paradigm as the controversial philosopher of science Thomas Kuhn described it. It’s a way of doing science that the guild of scientists agrees on. Philosopher J. P. Moreland calls this a second-order theory change – not just a change of one theory with another one, but a change in what scientists value in a theory. Scientists used to think of their craft as the art of verifying natural phenomena by experimentation. If we are changing the rules now, such that a theory must be elegant, then we are on a different track entirely. A scientist remains on good terms with the guild if he comes up with theories that are elegant, even if they have no connection with reality. What if, however, reality turns out to be very inelegant in this arena? What if we are stuck with an ugly theoretical mess? What if no amount of mathematical modeling will reduce all the forces to a unified set of equations? A man spoke into the sky, “Universe, I exist!” to which the universe responded, “But that fact places on me no sense of obligation.”

The second motivation driving the superstring craze is the desire to escape intelligent design (11/27/2006). The fine-tuning of the laws of physics for our existence has been studied now for well over 60 years. There’s no escaping the anthropic principle (08/11/2006). If the laws and constants of physics were not what they are, we could not be here to study them. Theists have a ready answer for this. The God who spoke the universe and its laws into existence formed it to be inhabited (Isaiah 45:18). That cosmologists would escape into multiple universes to avoid the obvious is a measure of extreme desperation. But now, the materialists have invoked a third-order theory change: a change in what constitutes science itself. Since appeals to design have been ruled out of bounds, today’s cosmologists are stuck with material particles and efficient causes as their only explanatory resources – even if such limitations lead to absurdities.

The founders of science would be shocked to see modern cosmologists auditioning for the theater of the absurd. It’s one thing to discover the absurd, but quite another to stay there. Arthur C. Clarke once said that the only way to find out the limits of the possible is to go beyond them into the impossible. OK, fine. Now that cosmologists have tested that boundary, will they be prepared to retreat, and escape back to reality? Watch them. If they jump off the cliff, they weren’t really scientists. They weren’t really interested in following the evidence wherever it led, but rather in fulfilling their own selfish desires in the futility of their own imaginations.

Macrobius
02-19-07, 14:25
Petr, you may like this quote, which is from an article 'What is Good Mathematics?' linked to the 'Not Even Wrong' blog http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/



As we can see from the above case study, the very best examples of good
mathematics do not merely fulfil one or more of the criteria of mathematical
quality listed at the beginning of the article, but are more importantly
part of a greater mathematical story, which then unfurls to generate
many further pieces of good mathematics of many different types. Indeed,
one can view the history of entire fields of mathematics as being primarily
generated by a handful of these great stories, their evolution throught time,
and their interaction with each other.


This is exactly right. The Mathematicians are ahead of the Scientists here. The materialist creed requires a story, and the aesthetic criterion for what makes a 'good theory' is what makes good scripture or commentary on scripture. The *story* line is everything. This is because they have misunderstood the Greek word 'historia' (research, into the actual truth, requiring a revision of 'historical' conventions), replacing it with a mistaken notion, that of 'Story' (myth, essentially). No amount of 'research' can disrupt the essence of the *story*, which is the point and actual guiding factor. The little man behind the current is the storyteller, and the story, as you know, is about naked monkies. We can't change the storyline you know -- that would be against progress.

I'll give you a hint: Story means paganism and Research into the Truth means Christianity. Substitute 'myth' for 'story' and 'discipleship' for 'mathematics' in the above passage, and see if it remains invariant under the induced isomorphism.

Angler
02-19-07, 15:36
The first step in the scientific method is the formation of a hypothesis. Not all hypotheses will turn out to be correct, and only a few will gain enough experimental support to become theories. That is hardly an indictment of science as a whole, as the author of that blurb seems to think. Science is about coming up with ideas, then testing them. Such a process is bound to produce some wild ideas that end up in the trash bin, but that's to be expected. It's nothing for religionists to chortle gleefully about: "Ha ha -- the scientists were wrong about this, this, and that! What CAN they be trusted with? The real answers must be in the Bible, then!"

While string theory undoubtedly has its "true believers," it is certainly not something that is blindly accepted by cosmologists as a whole. For a brief summary of the controversy, see here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory#Problems_and_controversy

OTOH, just because a mathematical model of a phenomenon isn't yet supported by experiment doesn't mean it shouldn't be taken seriously. It cannot be called a true theory until it has experimental support, but it can still be a useful idea. The existence of the positron, for example, was mathematically predicted prior to any experimental evidence of such a thing. Theory can often guide experimental efforts to make new discoveries. But sometimes the technology necessary to test a model hasn't yet been developed (and may never be).



Earlier scientists were ridiculed for appealing to imponderable substances like caloric and phlogiston. Those were tame compared to today’s; dark matter and dark energy, extra dimensions, and multiple universes. Cosmologists claim their imponderables make up the vast bulk of reality, such that we inhabit a tiny fraction of what “must” exist.See my first paragraph above. And a thing is not "imponderable" if someone is pondering it. To someone with the appropriate background knowledge (and an open mind), there is nothing the least bit "imponderable" about extra dimensions or multiple universes (although I've never been a fan of the "many worlds" interpretation of quantum mechanics). Again: These are nothing more than ideas that have been proposed in order to fit current observations. No one is claiming them as gospel. That has to wait until there's evidence -- if ever.

BTW, there is direct, substantial, and straightforward physical evidence for dark matter, and there's some experimental support for dark energy as well. No one claims to understand exactly what these things are, but there's evidence that something is there that we can't detect, even though we can see the effects of its gravity.

There was once a time when anti-matter would have been considered "imponderable." Now its existence is a known fact.

One century ago, the concept of a quantum mechanical wavefunction might have appeared a silly abstraction. Now it's the basis of much of modern technology.

In spite of the obvious and tremendous achievements of modern science (especially in the past century), there's still much to be learned about the universe. Mistakes will be made along the way, but that's not a license to revert to the primitive, pre-scientific worldview of ancient Jewish tribesmen.

Jack Bauer
02-19-07, 18:07
The first step in the scientific method is the formation of a hypothesis. Not all hypotheses will turn out to be correct, and only a few will gain enough experimental support to become theories. That is hardly an indictment of science as a whole, as the author of that blurb seems to think. Science is about coming up with ideas, then testing them. Such a process is bound to produce some wild ideas that end up in the trash bin, but that's to be expected. It's nothing for religionists to chortle gleefully about: "Ha ha -- the scientists were wrong about this, this, and that! What CAN they be trusted with? The real answers must be in the Bible, then!"


Not only that, but chucking superstring theory in cosmology seems to work against arguments for design or the anthopic principle. Brian Greene's bestselling book The Elegant Universe was an popular intro to cosmology based on string theory and the title itself points to how Designer-friendly this theory.

Petr
02-20-07, 08:29
Science is about coming up with ideas, then testing them. Such a process is bound to produce some wild ideas that end up in the trash bin, but that's to be expected. It's nothing for religionists to chortle gleefully about:
Typical scientistic self-congratulation. "Oh, we are soo self-critical!"


To support his fear, Eskow then shows off his own “pro-science” mind by mining for scary anecdotes. This expedition led to a hilarious retraction:

I removed reference to a story about the National Park Service after a sharp-eyed commenter noted that one of the outlets that publicized the story, Michael Shermer of Skeptic, did some first-hand investigation, found some apparently contradictory evidence, and issued a retraction. As I've long said, those who claim to speak for science and rationality should be willing to retract unproven or disproven claims.

So he peddled a bogus story while Shermer is still wiping the egg off his face and Eskow thinks he earns pro-science and pro-rationality brownie points. LOL.

http://telicthoughts.com/more-pro-science-fear-mongering/


Petr

Petr
02-20-07, 08:35
Not only that, but chucking superstring theory in cosmology seems to work against arguments for design or the anthopic principle.
Anti-IDers are positively in love with the idea of multiverses:


Evolutionists retreating into Multiverse-hypothesis out of fear of Intelligent Design

http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2506&highlight=susskind


http://discovermagazine.typepad.com/horganism/2006/11/collins_whups_d.html

Collins Whups Dawkins in TIME Debate!

In a previous post, “Richard Dawkins’s Cosmology Delusion,” I warned Dawkins not to invoke the anthropic principle or multiple-universe theories as a way to explain why we find ourselves in a universe so peculiarly suited to our existence. But does he listen? Noooooooooooooooo!

TIME’s current cover story on “God vs. Science” features a debate between Dawkins and Francis Collins, director of the National Human Genome Research Initiative and an evangelical Christian. David Van Biema, the TIME interviewer (who deserves a pat for good questions), asks both men to comment on the observation that “if the universal constants, the six or more characteristics of our universe, had varied at all, it would have made life impossible.”

Dawkins responds that “maybe the universe we are in is one of a very large number of universes. The vast majority will not contain life because they have the wrong gravitational constant or the wrong this constant or that constant. But as the number of universes climbs, the odds mount that a tiny minority of universes will have the right fine-tuning.”

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Petr