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Walter Yannis
02-24-07, 07:55
Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/02/24/cnusecon24.xml)

US mortgage crisis goes into meltdown

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Last Updated: 1:15am GMT 24/02/2007

Panic has begun to sweep the sub-prime mortgage sector in the United States after the bankruptcy of 22 lenders over the past two months, setting off mass liquidation of housing loans packaged as securities.

Analysts say the housing bust is pulling America into recession, citing a 14.4pc drop in housing starts

The rapid deterioration could not come at a worse time for British bank HSBC, which has set aside $10.5bn (£5.4bn) to cover bad loans in the US.

The cost of insuring against default on these loans has rocketed in recent weeks, from 50 basis points over Libor to 1,200, raising fears that a credit crunch could spread to the rest of the property market.

Low-grade BBB-rated securities - measured by the ABX index - have crashed from near par of 100 in early November to 72.5 this week.

Peter Schiff, head of Euro Pacific Capital, said the sector was in an unstoppable meltdown. "It's a self-perpetuating spiral: as sub-prime companies tighten lending they create even more defaults," he said.

California's ResMae Mortgage filed for bankruptcy last week as it struggled to cope with defaults on a $7.7bn book of sub-prime loans issued last year, while Accredited Home Lenders in San Diego warned that bad debts had reached 7.18pc of its portfolio.

HSBC chief executive Michael Geoghegan, who stepped in to take control of the US division earlier this month claiming "The buck stops at my door", has ousted top executives. But the worst may not be over for Household International, the property arm it acquired for $14.4bn in 2003 to capitalise on the housing boom.

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For now, the US Federal Reserve believes the damage can be contained. "I don't think there'll be a large impact on prime mortgages from the sub-prime market," said governor Susan Schmidt Bies.

However, she warned of a "hidden" problem caused by sellers pulling property off the market. " The percentage of homes where nobody is living in them is at a record level. So the potential for inventory correction is still very high," she said.

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Macrobius
02-24-07, 12:02
No prizes for guessing which of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae they sacrifice to avert the crisis. *If* that plan works.... It's the old game of put all the bad debt on one ship and sink it.

JoseyWales
02-24-07, 14:50
This should be fun to watch unfold.

Walter Yannis
02-24-07, 18:05
This should be fun to watch unfold.

'course, we're talking only about the subprime market here.

How much downward pull do you think the impending meltdown in that market niche will exert on the housing market as a whole?

Macrobius
02-24-07, 18:59
'course, we're talking only about the subprime market here.

How much downward pull do you think the impending meltdown in that market niche will exert on the housing market as a whole?

I think the House of Morgan will get to find out, given that a Solomon Bros. man is at the helm.

Walter Yannis
02-24-07, 19:17
I think the House of Morgan will get to find out, given that a Solomon Bros. man is at the helm.

Not to change the subject, but I recently listened to "When Genius Failed - The Rise and Fall of Long Term Capital Management" on audiobooks. I've been spending waaaaay too much time in airplanes lately, and I found that I like spending the time listening to auidobooks on my IPod.

It's a great book, if you're into that sort of thing.

Anyway, the investment bank people were just SCUMBAGS. Unbelievable.

Solomon, Goldman. Just nauseating lying, cheating, and stealing.

And this from the guys who really are the Kings of America.

One little episode: Goldman Sachs wants to do an IPO, first in investment bank history, if memory serves. One problem - they're way exposed on a loan they made to the Yeltsin regime to the tune of several hundred million dollars. What to do?

They make a deal with the Yeltsin people to issue a bunch of new hard currency bonds at exorbitant interest. They sell these bonds to their customers, and earn fat fees on doing the placement, including a bunch of these new bonds. Then the Russian government uses the cash to pay off the Goldman loan.

Goldman sells the bonds.

The bonds collapse in the default of August 1998.

Another one - I think Goldman (or was it Solomon?) used its position in LTCM to gain access to all of LTCM's computer files on its trading positions in the chaos that followed the crisis of August 1998. It then used that insider knowledge to trade against its own clients.

As far as I know, no criminal case was filed.

Josey probably knows more about this than others here, I invite his comments.

Holy miscreance, Batman! What will it take for people to lose all faith in the system?:( :confused:

Macrobius
02-24-07, 19:27
Well, I'll place my bets now -- a while back I looked at the SEC filings of the big investment banks. When derivatives unravel, I'm calling the following as casualties: Freddie Mac, House of Morgan, the VISA system. I'm guessing MasterCard has been picked to be the single surviving credit card clearing system. Any other bets out there?

Blond Knight
02-24-07, 19:29
Walter,

Ignorance is bliss, the other night I ran through the news channels on the one eyed jew and all they were blabbing about was Anna Nichole Smith. A better narcotic has never been invented than the televitz.

Walter Yannis
02-24-07, 22:01
Walter,

Ignorance is bliss, the other night I ran through the news channels on the one eyed jew and all they were blabbing about was Anna Nichole Smith. A better narcotic has never been invented than the televitz.

Yeah, it's really amazing. And not to mention that it looks like Cheney is declaring war on friggin' Iran.

But the Anna Nichole Smith saga is what absorbs the Sheeple's attention.

Good for them! All the better to fleece them with, my dear!!

Macrobius - I think that derivatives will get clobbered. It will be LTCM times 100. They're way overexposed, models are all messed up. They learned nothing from the past, including the feds.

My guess - which includes no doubt a big element of wishful thinking - is that real estate prices will be halved in the next couple of years, especially in the hot markets that clearly were in a bubble, such as DC, SF, LA, South Carolina, south FLA, etc.