Danish women have more children - fertility of immigrant women is falling rapidly

[Petr]

Danske kvinder får flere børn

http://ekstrabladet.dk/kup/sundhed/article1043924.ece

This is a step in the right direction, if nothing else. A Danish poster at Phora Forum kindly offered a translation of this piece:


Danish women have more children

Danish women give birth to more children than just 20-25 years ago. With an average of 1.85 a women is Denmark in the top end in Europe.

The Danish people have become more industrious in the beds.

At least the Danish women are visiting the maternity wards more and more since the 1980's. Even while the mothers have become increasingly older, and the average age for first birth now stands at 28.9 year. This is shown by numbers from Danish Statistics.

The fertility level in Denmark now lies at 1.85 live births per. women, which gives us a top placement in comparison to other European countries. In the top are also the other Nordic countries, while German women are way below – with a mere 1.32 children on average.

Even though women on average give birth to more children, this doesn’t mean that the birth number has likewise increased. In fact the number of children have been declining since 2000.

While Danish women have more children, the number of children born per. immigrant woman is falling markedly. In 1983 this was averaging at 3.41, while it today has plummeted to 1.97 child a woman.

[Petr]

While Danish women have more children, the number of children born per. immigrant woman is falling markedly. In 1983 this was averaging at 3.41, while it today has plummeted to 1.97 child a woman.
Or like the original article puts it:

"Mens danske kvinder får flere børn, falder antallet hos ikke-vestlige indvandrerkvinder markant. I 1983 lå gennemsnittet på 3,41, men det tal er nu raslet ned til 1,97 børn pr. kvinde."

Similar development has been noted also elsewhere in Europe:

http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6618


The birthrates of Muslim women in Europe have been falling significantly for some time. In the Netherlands, for example, the TFR among Dutch-born women rose between 1990 and 2005 from 1.6 to 1.7. In the same period for Moroccan-born women in Holland it fell from 4.9 to 2.9, and for Turkish-born women in Holland from 3.2 to 1.9.

In Austria, the TFR of Muslim women fell from 3.1 to 2.3 from 1981 to 2001. In 1970 Turkish-born women in Germany had on average two children more than German-born women. By 1996 the difference had fallen to one child and has now dropped to 0.5. These sharp falls reflect important cultural shifts, which include the impact of universal female education, rising living standards, the effect of local cultural norms and availability of contraception.


Petr

[Uncle John]

Good news!

[jimbob_rebel]

That is great news, what's relevant now is why this is happening and how it may be exploited.

[Uncle John]

This is one area where the 'Electric Jew' may be working to our advantage. If you watch any Latin American television, you will see that they are completely enamoured with the 'Barbie' ideal of beauty. The popular media down there has scads of improbably thin Latinas with improbably long legs. Additionally, they love blondes and they are all over the entertainment industry. The idealized European look is the standard of beauty, no question.

Now that the most remote villages have the benefit of television, all of the young Mestizo and Indian girls (most of whom, genetically, are predisposed to the fireplug look) are now being indoctrinated into this unrealistic standard of beauty, and the bitch-attitude that goes with it.

We in the West have developed at least a modest immunity to the media, but the Mexicans are sitting ducks. If you can sit through SABADO GIGANTE some Saturday night, you will essentially see a three hour nonstop commercial, with near constant audience participation.

Of course, nothing gets in the way of the cardboard media generated consumptionist lifestyle like children.

The same thing may be happening in Europe among the greasball populations there.

As I recall, Ygg wrote an excellent essay about unrealistic standards of beauty, dissatisfaction, and the spread of these with the invention of photography.

[Petr]

The same thing may be happening in Europe among the greasball populations there.
It may well be that the immigrant populations in Europe shall turn into a dismal urban rabble that shall combine the worst traits of both Western and Eastern cultures.

http://www.isteve.com/Film_Head-On_and_Up_and_Down.htm


Up and Down and Head-On

reviewed by Steve Sailer

The American Conservative, March 28, 2005

...

In Fatih Akin's funny and disturbing "Head-On," a suicidally glum busboy at a Hamburg punk rock bar, who has almost forgotten his native Turkish, agrees to a fake, sexless marriage to a pretty but slutty Turkish girl. She needs a Turkish husband to move out of her patriarchal father's house, so she can sleep around and take drugs.

"Head-On" begins as a raucous reworking of "The Odd Couple" as a punk romantic comedy. When the bride nicely redecorates her pseudo-groom's squalid apartment, replacing his Siouxsie and the Banshees poster with throw pillows, he snorts, "It looks like a chick-bomb exploded in here." (Modern love stories need these kinds of plot contrivances to delay consummation.) But her Carmen-like promiscuity leads to tragedy and an impassioned coda in Istanbul.

Many pundits advocate assimilation as the sure cure for any problems caused by immigration, but few ask: "Assimilation toward what?" In America, for example, immigrant kids often assimilate toward gangsta rap norms. German culture, still despised and depressed 60 years after 1945, lacks the confidence in its own coolness that African-Americans possess, so Hamburg's hipsters, both German and Turkish, assimilate instead toward the decadent styles of the old London and New York punk scenes.

True-believers in assimilation assume that young Turks educated in Germany will naturally want to write a new Eroica Symphony or found the next Mercedes-Benz, but "Head-On" suggests that they actually want to re-enact "Sid and Nancy," Alex Cox's 1986 classic about Sex Pistols bassist Sid Vicious and junkie-groupie Nancy Spungeon, the two most worthless people ever to fall madly in love.

"Head-On" isn't quite as stunning as "Sid and Nancy," but it's close.

Petr

[Uncle John]

There is more going on here than is immediately obvious. It is very good news that the birthrate among the French and Scandanavians is going up.

You made a good point in one of your posts. Perhaps we have become wedded to dispair. I'm probably guilty of it. It is easy to confuse the worm's eye view with the big picture.

[Petr]

Apparently a new study has been published on this topic (although cited in a PC-pap article that tries to use it in order to argue that there is no immigration problem in Europe):


A recent study, Religiousness and Fertility among European Muslims, by demographers Charles Westoff and Tomas Frejka, documents this. Populations need to have 2.1 children per family to keep from shrinking. Among Turks in Germany – one of the longest-standing Muslim immigrant populations in Europe – the rate has fallen to 1.9 children from 4.4 in 1970. Turks in Switzerland also have 1.9, while those in the Netherlands have 1.6, fewer than white British people do. Muslim women in France have 2.2 children, barely more than non-Muslim women there, and that number is falling.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/article711186.ece


Here's the whole study - lots of interesting statistics:

Muslim Fertility, Religion and Religiousness

http://paa2007.princeton.edu/download.aspx?submissionId=70869


Petr

[Faust]

Petr,

The problem is a "assimilated" "Liberal" modernest degenerate "Muslin" is in some ways more of a danger to Europe than an Islamist. Islam is a nuisance, "Liberalism" is a mortal danger.

Most Mexican immigrants living in the US are not Mexican nationalists, but are instead adopting the cultural of urban Afro-American slum dwellers. Oddly the Arab slum dwellers of Paris are also taking up Afro-American slum culture. This creates a of pool government welfare program dependent pro-immigration socialist voters.

[Petr]

The problem is a "assimilated" "Liberal" modernest degenerate "Muslin" is in some ways more of a danger to Europe than an Islamist. Islam is a nuisance, "Liberalism" is a mortal danger.

Most Mexican immigrants living in the US are not Mexican nationalists, but are instead adopting the cultural of urban Afro-American slum dwellers. Oddly the Arab slum dwellers of Paris are also taking up Afro-American slum culture. This creates a of pool government welfare program dependent pro-immigration socialist voters.
Much of what you say is true - but on the other hand, in cold military sense I cannot help seeing it beneficial that Muslims grow softer and less fertile. Makes it easier to fight them (if and when that time someday arrives).


Here is another article on the topic, a neoconnish piece that still contains some anti-defeatist spirit that I like - gloomy "we're doomed"-attitude has never made anyone's condition better.


White birthrates rebound; Moslem collapse; Black stable


Revisions made in the 2008 version of the UN’s World Population Prospects Report make it clear that this decline is not simply a Middle Eastern phenomenon. The report suggests that in Indonesia, the country with the world’s largest Muslim population, the fertility rate for the years 2010–15 will drop to 2.02, a shade below replacement level. The same UN assessment sees declines in Bangladesh (to 2.2) and Malaysia (2.35) in the same period. By 2050, even Pakistan is expected to reach a replacement-level *fertility rate.
http://guywhite.wordpress.com/2009/05/10/white-birthrates-rebound-moslem-collapse-black-stable/


Petr

[Faust]

Petr,

What Europe needs is a repeat of what happened in Spain in 1492.

[Petr]

Asia is generally getting its population growth under control, Latin America even more so, and thus the "last frontier" of population control is sub-Saharan Africa. But even there, the process has started to get rolling:


(Africa's) population has grown from 110m in 1850 to 1 billion today. Its fertility rate is still high: the average woman born today can expect to have five children in her child-bearing years, compared with just 1.7 in East Asia.
...

Yet Africa is also starting out, a little late, on a demographic transition that others have already traced: as people get richer, they have fewer children. In 1990 the continent’s total fertility rate was over six, compared with two in East Asia. By 2030, according to United Nations projections, the total fertility rate in sub-Saharan Africa could fall to three. By 2050 it could be below 2.5. It is surely no coincidence that the past 15 years have seen Africa’s fastest-ever period of economic growth. Africa, exceptional in so many ways, does not seem to be an exception to the rule that, as countries get richer, they experience a demographic transition.
http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=14302837


Petr

[roho]

What exactly is the "Glue" that ties poverty to a high fertillity rate?:confused: