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    Robert Joos, DSCI Pastor, Arrested in White Nationalist Roundup

    Robert Joos, DSCI Pastor, Arrested in White Nationalist Roundup

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joplin Globe

    http://www.joplinglobe.com/neosho_ne...176221119.html

    Published June 25, 2009 10:11 pm - Robert Neil Joos, 56, a self-professed white supremacist from McDonald County, was charged Thursday in federal court with illegally possessing firearms, the U.S. attorney’s office said.

    White supremacist from area arrested


    From staff, AP reports

    news@joplinglobe.com

    Robert Neil Joos, 56, a self-professed white supremacist from McDonald County, was charged Thursday in federal court with illegally possessing firearms, the U.S. attorney’s office said.

    A search of Joos’ 200-acre property was the result of an investigation into a “retreat location in McDonald County used by white supremacists,” said Matt Whitworth, acting U.S. attorney for the Western District of Missouri, in a statement.

    Joos was charged in a federal criminal complaint filed in Springfield with being a felon in possession of firearms, Whitworth said.

    Joos was arrested Thursday and remained in federal custody pending a detention hearing set for Monday.

    The statement by Whitworth said the arrest stemmed from a federal investigation into a Feb. 26, 2004, bombing that injured Don Logan, the director of the diversity office for the city of Scottsdale, Ariz., who is a black man. Two others were injured in the attack.

    The undercover investigation focused on several people involved in white-supremacist movements throughout the United States.

    According to an affidavit by Special Agent Kevin Farnsworth, brothers Daniel and Dennis Mahon were identified as suspects in the Arizona bombing.

    A federal indictment unsealed Thursday in Arizona charges the Mahons with conspiracy to damage buildings and property by means of explosives. The indictment also says the brothers intended to “promote racial discord” on behalf of the War Aryan Resistance.

    Authorities who arrested the brothers at their home in Davis Junction, Ill., said they had assault weapons, hundreds of rounds of ammunition and white-supremacist material.

    In 2005, according to the affidavit, the Mahon brothers told undercover investigators about a “retreat” location in Missouri that members of the “movement” used for survival training. It was occupied by Joos.

    A confidential informant and two undercover agents with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives visited Joos at his McDonald County property on three occasions, in January 2008 and in January and February 2009. During those visits, the affidavit says, they observed different firearms and ammunition.

    Joos is characterized in the affidavit as a “long-time white supremacist associate and an expert on weapons, explosives, bomb making and general survival skills.”

    Joos allegedly told undercover operatives that he knew how to make napalm and agreed to train others, and that he used caves on his property for concealment and shelter. The caves were stockpiled with food, water and weapons, according to the affidavit.



    White supremacist from area arrested


    Federal law makes it illegal for anyone who has been convicted of a felony to be in possession of firearms or ammunition.

    Joos has a 1997 felony conviction for unlawful use of a weapon and a 2004 conviction for operating a motor vehicle without a valid license.

    Joos at one point refused to get a driver’s license, saying during a court hearing in 2002 that it was against his religion, and that he could “make no covenant with the heathen government.”

    Joos in 2004 led the Sacerdotal Church of David on a 200-acre farm near the community of Cyclone, between Powell and Pineville on Big Sugar Creek.
    It looks like ZOG is rounding up everyone it can the past couple of months.

    Bob Joos is Dual-Seedline Christian Identity with a few heresies, who lives on a large farm approximately 30 miles south of myself. Bob is extremely paranoid -- for good reason -- and as a result has little to do with anyone, especially the losers and dysfunctionals who simply cannot keep their mouths shut. Bob sent back in his ordination certificate around 25 years ago as he likes to preach his own little heresies. Bob is almost a Mormon with his polygamy beliefs. Plus Bob refuses to submit to any hierarchy or hint of it over him. Thus Bob is one of the last people who will engage in a conspiracy with anyone. Bob doesn't play well with anyone.

    Dennis Mahon has been known as a blowhard and someone who cannot keep his mouth shut for 20 years now. He used to live in Tulsa. I never met the man himself but had a number of friends who knew him and they all agree that if you have anything you want everyone to know -- ZOG especially -- then tell it to this bigmouth who simply cannot keep his trap shut. Dennis also has to be the biggest nazi in the room or state. He supposedly will tell you all about his little strosstruppen regiment of one and the NSM have nothing on him in wanting to wear a brownshirt. He allegedly was Carol Howe's lover and when this double-agent bitch was spying on the Elohim City bunch this feeb tried to have it both ways -- yes he was part of the Oklahoma City bombing and no he wasn't. The answer is that while he might have known some of the players, the players knew him and knew better than to tell this big-mouthed knuckle-head anything.

    Daniel Mahon is known as a quiet shadow to Dennis. However, what you don't want Dennis to know, you don't tell his quiet brother Daniel.

    An extremely reclusive, paranoid and close-mouthed man like Bob Joos isn't going to engage in any conspiracy with this loser and his brother. In fact, Bob Joos isn't going to engage in a conspiracy with anyone. Last time I heard, back in Nov. 2004 he was living with a single lawyer mother who got me to put out the word on the Internet that Bob was going on a water fast and might die in the Newton County Jail given the excessive bond put up by that sociopathic jungle-jewdge Kevin Lee Selby. The Resistance was notified and the fat presiding judge Perigo reduced the bail from $30,000 for driving without a license to the already bonded $2,000.

    In Missouri, the legistraitors passed a law that the third time these 'common-law' and religious objectors refused to get a driving license it was a felony. Robert refuses to obey the law of ZOG/Babylon, and was thus convicted of felony refusal to obey ZOG and get his mark of the Beast. The 1997 felony conviction arose out of a bogus conviction for carrying a revolver in his glove compartment during the course of an interstate visit, and should have been never prosecuted. However, the McDonald County authorites had held him on trumped up charges of owning a 1917 inoperative French machinegun with lead poured down the barrel for over three years without trial. They offered to let him go with time served on a misdemeanor, with time served, but Joos demanded that it go to trial and he lost before a jewry tired of being known as a place of Christian Identity wildmen. Same thing as happened to Pastor Butler in Idaho.

    Then, as now, they thought that Bob Joos had gotten a common-law student named Timothy Coombs to shoot a fat highway patrol pig named Bobby Harper in his kitchen in McDonald County. The Resistance/county story is that Harper was shot by a crooked (well, they all are crooked in McDonald County) sheriff's deputy annoyed that Harper was taking more than his fair share of the drug money from pot and meth sales.

    Coombs is still out there, if not killed and buried by piglice. They think that Coombs thought he was a 'Phineas Priest' and was ordered to shoot Harper by Joos. Which was unlikely as Joos was in jail at the time and Coombs never went to see him. People who knew Coombs said that he wore coke-bottle bottom glasses and was an awful shot. Maybe he could hit an elephant is he was swallowed by one. Most of the Resistance thinks that ZOG already captured and killed Coombs and he is used to jewstify searches. Of course, we thought the same about Eric Rudoph as well. ZOG is so paranoid.

    So as a result of these wrongful tyrannical laws, Bob Joos is a felon. Bob obeys YHWH's and his own Law. So, as long as he stays on his own place -- and Bob is not on the power grid, on the Internut, and almost never goes off his place as Bob is a survivalist and former Air Force officer -- Bob thinks that he has a YHWH-given right to defend himself from ZOG.

    I don't see Joos having much of anything to do with a loser and loudmouth like Dennis Mahon. I see Tom 'Lone Wolf' Metzger having nothing to do with a notorious loser and loudmouth like Dennis Mahon. I fail to see how Bob Joos and Tom Metzger would ever even know each other, much less communicate between Joos' farm (and the place is almost impossible to get to the house by vehicle, taking a half hour to get half a mile) and someplace in Indiana. I've been out to Joos' place three times and getting there is like moving back into the 19th Century. Kerosene lanterns and Bob telling you all about the food and medicinal properties of weeds you mowed down long before they got that high. Thanks to Bob, I now know how to properly dry and eat pigweed.

    Bob Joos scares piglice because he got "Charlie Manson eyes." Bob looks like Charlie Manson's younger brother, especially around the eyes. Bob got the equivalent of Special Forces training and has a degree in Mechanical Engineering. Bob thinks that he is a Nazarene, cf Numbers Chapter 6. He doesn't cut his hair or shave or allow people to take his picture.

    My analysis: ZOG is rounding Resistance people up. First the odious, like Bill White and Wotan's lying profit Hardy Mongrol-Lloyd. Now Hal Turner, twice. Now those who ZOG has always hated and feared, like Robert Joos (pronounced 'joe-ss' not jews or juice) are getting rounded up based upon 2004 bullshit from idiots like Dennis Mahon. This might be a moot point now, but learn what everyone in the Oklahoma, Missouri and Arkansas region knew 20 years ago: avoid Dennis Mahon and his shadow brother. Some people thought that they were feds before Oklahoma City, and they never been picked up before now. ZOG is probably cashing in its rats.

    Never believe what ZOG or ZOG's jewsmedia tells you. ZOG is rounding up Resistance activists because it is scared of what is going down and doesn't want any leadership ability to take advantage of the coming unrest before the Great Tribulation. I myself could be rounded up tomorrow. Believing ZOG's lies means that you side with ZOG.

    I learned about this from following the phorafag/feeb thread:

    http://www.thephora.net/forum/showth...140#post724140

    Then I did a search and since Joos was arrested around 2:46 p.m., it is in today's (Friday 26June09) jewplin glob.

    Disseminate widely.

    Hail Victory!!!

    Pastor Martin Luther Dzerzhinsky Lindstedt
    Church of Jesus Christ Christian/Aryan Nations of Missouri
    http://whitenationalist.org/lindstedt/cjccanmo.html

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    Re: Robert Joos, DSCI Pastor, Arrested in White Nationalist Roundup

    jewplin glob?

    Hail dissemination!
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    Re: Robert Joos, DSCI Pastor, Arrested in White Nationalist Roundup

    lnelson,

    Martin refers to the Jopin Globe, the local "news"paper.
    ===========

    A confidential informant...
    Martin,

    You think they mean TGM, aka "Sgt Snitch"?

    "legistraitors". That's good and an accurate update. Added to the Lindstedt dictionary.
    'From knowledge to competence it is a big step; from ignorance to competence, a bigger one still.' HANS VON SEECKT

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    Open Letter to Robert Joos, 6Jan10

    Open Letter to Robert Joos, 6Jan10

    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=1378#post1378
    http://stumbleinn.net/forum/showthre...985#post228985
    http://cpm.freehostia.com/forum/show...=2952#post2952
    http://www.originaldissent.com/forum...3037#post83037
    http://cjcc-an.blogspot.com/2010/01/...os-6jan10.html
    http://www.pastorlindstedt.org/blog/?p=822



    Church of Jesus Christ Christian/Aryan Nations of Missouri
    Pastor Martin Luther Dzerzhinsky Lindstedt
    Granby, Missouri 64844

    Pastor Robert Joos, Prisoner
    St. Clair County Jail
    4th & Chestnut St.
    P.O. Box 311
    Osceola, Missouri 64776

    Dear Pastor Bob:

    I should have written you sooner. But I didn’t. I feel for the way you have been set up and hear that you are going to have trial on Monday. I also hear that you are going to try to defend yourself and filed a motion to that effect. I wouldn’t trust a pub[l]ic pretender either. I wonder if that [female] attorney you were with wouldn’t defend you. I’m enclosing something that this faggot blogger Randy Turner wrote about you and some stuff I wrote about you as well.

    In any case, I won’t be able to attend your trial because Roxie’s car’s transmission went out. Is there any way you can delay the trial in order to prepare for it better and call your fellow Dual-Seedline Christian Identity believers like myself who will testify that being armed for the immanent fall of Babylon/ZOG is part of our religious belief system?

    The DC v Heller decision of 2008 according to the Wikipedia jewcyclopedia entry is enclosed. The decision of the u$ $upreme Kort was that while the 2d Amendment was an individual right, ZOG still had the ‘right’ to infringe against it against felons. I think that what needs to be emphasized is that you were not on federal property, not out in public, but on your own private property and that the federal criminal regime should not have any authority if you are awaiting the collapse of the current regime and social order and will need weapons to protect yourself. That the arrest, denial of bond, and entire proceedings are illegal and the efforts of a decaying imperial criminal regime to put as many White Christian heterosexual men in gulags as possible in order to stave off revolution, and thus a political trial.

    So could you ask for someone like myself to be your counsel of choice? Then, if you do get convicted, you can put in a claim that the district korts and prostitutors violated yet another one of your rights under the CONstipation and Bill of Goods?

    I think you would do best to ditch the pub[l]ic pretender, but if you are going to try your own case, or get your counsel of choice, then you need to have access to a law library before you get railroaded. So you will need another couple of months for a continuance to prepare while the kort digests your objections. It is stupid to help the railroad continue.

    Well, I need to get this letter out today and need time to walk to the Post Office. I’ll be telling everyone about your plight. I hope that this letter reaches you in the jail by Friday.

    Hail Victory!!!

    Pastor Martin Luther Dzerzhinsky Lindstedt,
    Church of Jesus Christ Christian/Aryan Nations of Missouri
    Last edited by PastorLindstedt; 01-06-10 at 22:53. Reason: Add Links

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    Neosho Daily Douche -- Lindstedt Asks Joos To Consider Attorney Change

    Neosho Daily Douche -- Lindstedt Asks Joos To Consider Attorney Change

    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=1400#post1400
    http://stumbleinn.net/forum/showthre...318#post230318
    http://cpm.freehostia.com/forum/show...=2974#post2974
    http://www.originaldissent.com/forum...3404#post83404
    http://cjcc-an.blogspot.com/2010/01/...asks-joos.html
    http://www.pastorlindstedt.org/blog/?p=831




    By John Ford
    Neosho Daily News
    Posted Jan 08, 2010 @ 02:13 PM

    http://www.neoshodailynews.com/topst...ttorney-change

    ___________
    Fat Lindstedt -- Neosho Daily Douche _____________ Robert Joos, Neosho Daily Douche


    Neosho, Mo. — As the trial date in a federal weapons case involving Robert Joos nears, another self-proclaimed white supremacist has written Joos in prison, asking “someone like myself” represent the Powell man.

    In a letter written Wednesday and posted on his blog site, Martin Lindstedt, pastor of the “Church of Jesus Christ Christian / Aryan Nations of Missouri,” asked Joos to consider asking for a delay in the trial.

    “So could you ask for someone like myself to be your counsel of choice?” Lindstedt wrote. “Then, if you do get convicted, you can put in a claim that the district ‘korts’ and ‘prostitutors’ violated yet another one of your rights under the ‘CONstipation” and ‘Bill of Goods’.”

    Lindstedt also told Joos it would be best if he fired his public defender.

    “But if you are going to try your own case, or get your counsel of choice, then you need to have access to a law library before you get railroaded,” he said. “So you will need another couple of months for a continuance to prepare while the ‘kort’ digests your objections. It is stupid to help the railroad continue.”

    Joos has filed motions with the federal district court in Springfield to delay the trial, due to start Monday, so he could have his public defender, Darryl Johnson, removed from the case. According to the handwritten motions, Joos wants to act as his own attorney and requests 60 days to prepare for trial.

    Joos has pleaded not guilty to federal weapons charges and is being held without bond. He was arrested in late June as part of an investigation into a 2004 mail bombing in Scottsdale, Ariz., that injured a black city official.

    Federal prosecutors say an investigation found that people involved in the white supremacist movement in the U.S. met for survival training at Joos’ property in McDonald County. Joos owns 200 acres near Powell, and is pastor of the Sacerdotal Church of David.

    Two twin brothers, Dennis and Daniel Mahon, were arrested at their home in Davis Junction, Ill., in late June in connection with the bombing. A probable cause affidavit filed to support the arrest alleges the first call Dennis Mahon made after the bombing was to a cell phone registered to Joos. One of the Mahons has described Joos as “an expert on weapons, explosives, bomb making and general survival skills,” according to a probable cause affidavit.

    Joos is also seeking some $23 million in damages from the federal government for alleged constitutional rights violations.

    Lindstedt repeatedly claimed he had been railroaded by various law enforcement agencies, including the Newton County Sheriff’s Department and the county prosecutor’s office, when he was charged in 2005 with child sexual abuse charges involving a young family member. The incidents allegedly took place sometime between March and August 2003. The charges were dropped in early 2009 by the Newton County Prosecuting Attorney Jake Skouby, although, according to Bill Dobbs, assistant prosecutor, the charges could be refiled at a later date. The prosecutor’s office has until 10 years after the child’s 18th birthday to refile the charges.

    Lindstedt was charged with 22 counts of contempt of court in the summer of 2005, issued after several outbursts during court proceedings. Those counts were set aside in June 2006 when he was admitted to the Fulton State Hospital.

    In July 2007, Lindstedt was ordered to allow the court to appoint a public defender to act as his legal counsel after the Granby resident balked at reading and signing a waiver for court appointed counsel. The document would have allowed Lindstedt to act as his own attorney. However, Lindstedt said he balked at the waiver because he wanted to enter a 10-page motion and writ of habeas corpus declaring he has been improperly imprisoned, a violation of his civil rights. Lindstedt contended the state did not have the authority to commit him to the state hospital as it was done without trial. While in the state hospital, Lindstedt called the Daily News several times, telling reporters he was denied access to a law library.

    In 1985, Joos was charged with simulating legal process when he attempted to serve a bogus federal injunction on retired trooper Merle Graham to prevent the arrest of Taren Wood, a Joos associate. The following year, a McDonald County jury found Joos guilty of the misdemeanor and he was sentenced to six months in the county jail, plus a $400 fine.

    Joos appealed the verdict, but it was upheld by the appellate court, which issued a warrant for Joos’ arrest in 1987. Joos remained at large until June 29, 1994, when two troopers with the Missouri State Highway Patrol — Sgt. Steve Dorsey and the late Cpl. Bobbie Harper — arrested Joos after a scuffle. A search of Joos’ van revealed a loaded .32 caliber, five-shot revolver, which was in an opaque plastic bag between the van’s seats.

    In September 1994, Harper was shot sniper style through a window of his home while he was preparing a dish of ice cream. Harper, who was recovering from a liver transplant, did not die in the attack, but never returned to work. Harper died in 1996 after a heart operation. A Joos associate, Timothy Coombs, was suspected in the shooting. Coombs remains at large.

    In 2004, Joos was convicted of operating a motor vehicle without a license. During a 2002 hearing, he told the court he had no intention of obtaining a Missouri driver’s license, saying he is a “servant of God and can have no covenant with the heathen government.” After a court appearance that year, he told a Daily News reporter that he believes he does not have to have a driver’s license as he does not transport goods or people for hire.

    Joos was hospitalized in November 2004 as a result of a hunger strike.

    Copyright 2010 Neosho Daily News. Some rights reserved



    Comments:

    John Ford, unlike Buzz(ard) Ball and Randy Turner, is not personally hostile to myself when I talk to him. And yet, like all jewspaper reporters, he supports ZOG/Babylon and simply refuses to print my side of the story. I would call up several times from the NutHouse, and in jail ask Roxie to tell my side of the story or give the Neosho Daily Douche a letter or copy of paperwork and then find out that either nothing had been published or it was slanted to support the local regime criminals.

    So, this means that any and every Revolutionary soldier must consider the members of the establishment judenpresse to be a Racial and Revolutionary enemy traitor subject to the standard treatment dealt to treasonous regime criminals and their whigger herd animal supporters of complete merciless extermination of they and theys' spawn, corruption of blood, forfeiture of all property and estate, and enslavement unto death for the more tractable regime criminal supporters. Treasonous regime criminals are invariably sanctimonious and even when given out a share and a half of what goes around when it comes around to they and theys' spawn, will never admit, be they the biological jew spawn of Satan or the adoptive whigger or mamzer herd animals, that they are wrong-minded parasites who never ever can behave in a White manner. You boil off theys' rancid sanctimony by simply putting them to public torture before the whigger herd animals. It is hard for a regime criminal to pretend to being morally superior when the regime criminal is eating itz nuts -- suffering from a bad case of Piglice Testicle Eating Syndrome -- and having itz spawn run through a wood chipper for dessert.

    You observe the whigger herd animal population and cull out anyone stupid and morally degenerate enough to side with the former regime criminals as well, to where they learn to mind theys own business and do what the new Neo-Aristocracy tells them what to do. Absolute and remorseless extermination of all religious and racial opposition to the winning White Nationalist theocratic regime is what is absolutely necessary when whiggers outnumber you by a factor of ten to one. The 'Ten-Thousand Warlords Project' is aimed towards the extermination of what passes for the leadership and the 'intellectuals' of the criminal regime and setting it up so that there is no mental or moral competition for the leadership of the former ZOGling herd-animal lumpen-whiggertariate.

    So the judenpresse is part of the regime-criminal 'leadership' and of course they lie. They are protected in those lies. A more stalwart society would be run like it was back in the day, when a lying jewspaper editurd which pissed of the more vigilant members of society was castrated, tarred and feathered and run out on a rail with his lying press burnt or destroyed. And, like Elijah telling the baal-priests and the House of Ahab how the cow would eat the cabbage, I think that a jewspaper editor in the future will be forced to allow anyone and everyone whom he writes about to have equal time to respond to whatever is written about him or thus, if the jewspaper is slanderous, for the retraction to be branded on the jewspaper editurd's hide and that of itz spawn, with the dripping pelts tacked to the jewspaper door for all to read.

    Now of course, like I offered Ron Doerge when Ronblow was huffing and puffing about what was on my web page, these regime criminals are at liberty to write they's side of the story and it WILL be printed here on my blog and web pages. I am not a cowardly faggot like Randy Turner who is much too chickenshit to allow me to post my side of my story on their lying blogs. The downside -- and whenever regime criminals deal with me there is ALWAYS a downside -- is that they will be giving me even more ammunition to use against them in the kort of pub[l]ic opinion, and so smart regime criminals and traitors invariably decline my offer. But still they refuse to let me have my say.

    6:00 a.m. entry Since whether Bob Joos will be railroaded today or not will be decided in a few hours, I shall post this widely and come back later today as to whether this matter was allowed by the ZOG jewdge or not.

    Hail Victory!!!

    Pastor Martin Luther Dzerzhinsky Lindstedt
    Church of Jesus Christ Christian/Aryan Nations of Missouri
    www.whitenationalist.org/forum










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    Joos [Show] Trial Begins: Joos Being Screwed By His Pub[l]ic Pretender

    Joos [Show] Trial Begins: Joos Being Screwed By His Pub[l]ic Pretender
    Typpycull Bowel Movement Stupidity Bites Bob In The Ass


    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=1409#post1409
    http://cpm.freehostia.com/forum/show...=2988#post2988
    http://stumbleinn.net/forum/showthre...092#post231092
    http://www.originaldissent.com/forum...3653#post83653
    http://cjcc-an.blogspot.com/2010/01/...oos-being.html
    http://www.pastorlindstedt.org/blog/?p=835


    Quote Originally Posted by jewplin Glob

    Joos trial begins; agent details visit to rural compound

    http://www.joplinglobe.com/local/loc...011224446.html

    Published January 11, 2010 10:44 pm - SPRINGFIELD, Mo. — Authorities recovered 19,000 rounds of ammunition, along with more than a dozen firearms and explosive materials, from the property of a self-professed white supremacist from McDonald County, witnesses testified Monday.
    By Derek Spellman
    dspellman@joplinglobe.com

    SPRINGFIELD, Mo. — Authorities recovered 19,000 rounds of ammunition, along with more than a dozen firearms and explosive materials, from the property of a self-professed white supremacist from McDonald County, witnesses testified Monday.

    Federal prosecutors are expected to finish presenting their case today in the trial of Robert Neil Joos, who is being tried in U.S. District Court on a federal weapons charge. He was identified during Monday’s testimony as an “an associate” of two men charged with a bombing in Arizona.

    Joos’ defense attorney, Darryl Johnson, is expected to make his opening statement and mount Joos’ defense today. While cross-examining witnesses Monday, he pointed out that the property where authorities seized the weapons actually belonged to Joos’ family, not Joos himself.

    Johnson also said that officers had found mostly older, “archaic” weapons that were legal and could have been used for hunting. He also contended that while authorities could trace where the weapons and explosive materials were manufactured, they could not trace their ownership.

    But an undercover agent from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives who said he twice met with Joos on his 200-acre property in rural McDonald County testified that it “was clear to me that he (Joos) knew” that his previous felony convictions barred him from possessing the weapons recovered by federal law enforcement officers.

    Undercover agent

    ATF agent Tristan Moreland, who posed as a clandestine firearms merchant active in the “movement,” also said Joos admitted to owning one of the weapons that Moreland spotted during his visits to Joos’ compound early last year. The agent also said Joos showed a knowledge of explosives approaching the expert level.

    “It was clearly part of his life,” Moreland said of Joos’ weapons collection, recounting that Joos once told him, “It’s all going to come down to whoever has the guns.”

    Moreland said authorities learned of Joos during an investigation into a Feb. 26, 2004, bombing that injured Don Logan, the director of the diversity office for the city of Scottsdale, Ariz. Logan is a black man. Two others were injured in the attack.

    Two men — brothers Daniel and Dennis Mahon — face federal charges in the bombing in Arizona and now await trial. The “very first call” one of the brothers made after the bomb was placed went to Joos, Moreland said, and Joos’ name surfaced again during conversations between the brothers and a confidential informant. The Mahons had a “very long history” with Joos, and they visited Joos and obtained some firearms training at his property, the ATF agent said.

    “The Mahons had said often, ‘You got to meet this guy,’” Moreland said.

    The undercover agent testified that Joos often spoke about his anti-government beliefs, and sometimes his racial beliefs, during their conversations. Visits to the property included tours of 20 “caves,” which included traditional caves and “dugouts,” that Joos described as potential defensive positions on the property, Moreland said.

    ‘Training video’

    During one visit, Joos and Moreland watched “We Were Soldiers,” a Mel Gibson dramatization of the Vietnam War battle of Ia Drang. Joos, according to Moreland, intended it as a “training video” for how to repel an attack by government forces.

    Johnson, Joos’ defense attorney, countered that Joos was always interested in the military, citing his attendance at the U.S. Air Force Academy.

    Witnesses on Monday described the property as a remote compound, requiring any visitor to first travel down an approximately mile-long driveway and then through a fenced gate that Joos always kept locked. A few mobile homes were on the property, along with a number of cars and other signs of an apparent salvage operation.

    The dwelling itself contained a couple of bunk beds, a kitchen, a bathroom and a storage area that held 15 firearms. One agent said he found a file labeled “explosives” at the home.

    Background

    Joos in 2004 led the Sacerdotal Church of David on the 200-acre farm near the community of Cyclone, between Powell and Pineville on Big Sugar Creek. Moreland said Joos at one point referred to a church, testifying that Joos said unspecified church “elders” owned the property.

    But Moreland said “there was nothing on that property that resembled a church” or church operation.

    Federal law makes it illegal for anyone who has been convicted of a felony to be in possession of firearms or ammunition.

    Joos has a 1997 felony conviction for unlawful use of a weapon and a 2004 conviction for operating a motor vehicle without a valid license.

    Joos at one point refused to get a driver’s license, saying during a court hearing in 2002 that it was against his religion, and that he could “make no covenant with the heathen government.”

    Arrest

    Robert Joos was arrested in June 2009 after an undercover investigation focusing on several people allegedly involved in white-supremacist movements throughout the United States.

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    .

    Comments:

    Well, it is essentially pretty much all over except for the pissin'&moanin' for Pastor Bob Joos as with the [G]AID[S] of his federal pub[l]ic pretender Bob is going to spend the better part of a decade enjoying his fill of the swill to be provided in Club ZOG on a felony weapons rap. And, given that Robert is a true believer in Dual-Seedline Christian Identity, perhaps much of this persecution from the forces Under Satan's Administration was to be expected. If ZOG can't find up an excuse to arrest what ZOG regards as 'dangerous free radicals' in the White Nationalist [bowel] Movement on conspiracy or weapons charges, something will be made up, like bogus child molestation or child pornography or drug charges, and enemies of ZOG will of course be tried before a ZOG-kort, have the pretend 'aid' of a ZOG-counsel, and have the testilying of ZOG undercover informants who admit to being professional entrappers of the ZOG herd claim whatever they please and the end result is the same: ZOG disposes of its racial enemies so that the looting of the [no-longer-so] Great Whigger Herd can continue into a New Dark Age.

    Pastor Robert Joos made himself a target of the local, state and ZOG regime criminals. And as such, of course Bob Joos was going to be hammered down. As is happening now.

    My point is to show how and why most of it was somewhat unnecessary. Robert Joos made a number of mistakes that he didn't need to have made -- the first of which was associating with unbelieving solipsistic heathen loudmouths within the bowel Movement, then letting pretty much any old government agents and informants run wild on his property gathering 'evidence' and the last was in going to trial with a pub[l]ic pretender who will try to lend a superficial gloss on what is in fact anti-white genocidal tyranny contrary to the CONstipation and Bill of Goods 'protections'.

    On the other hand, Robert Joos supposedly has the freedumb to ASSociate with whomever he pleases, to arm himself as necessary to protect his life, liberty and property given that the mighty Evil Empire is falling apart, and to worship as he pleases. If you believe that, then it is because you are a ZOGling whigger ass-clown no longer in touch with the reality of the day. You don't have any rights whatsoever, ZOG will do whatever it pleases, this trial is based upon lies, and this jewspaper is part of ZOG. The ZOG kort record is doubtless fraudulent. And so the jewspaper merely repeats these lies as it benefits in the short term from ZOG. Anything written above in a jewspaper should be taken as a lie.

    But before this is understood





  7. #7

    Springfield jews-Liar: Joos Talked About Violent End To ZOG

    Springfield jews-Liar: Joos Talked About Violent End To ZOG

    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=1410#post1410
    http://www.originaldissent.com/forum...ed=1#post83654
    http://stumbleinn.net/forum/showthre...d=1#post231095
    http://cpm.freehostia.com/forum/show...ted=1#post2989
    http://cjcc-an.blogspot.com/2010/01/...ked-about.html
    http://www.pastorlindstedt.org/blog/?p=838




    Quote Originally Posted by Springfield jews-Liar

    Federal trial begins in 2004 Arizona mail bombing case
    Agent: Man talked about violent end to government.

    Kathryn Wall • News-Leader • January 12, 2010

    http://www.news-leader.com/article/2...l+bombing+case
    An undercover agent testified Monday that Robert Joos, a 56-year-old man on trial for federal weapons charges, often talked about a violent end to the U.S. government.

    "(He thought) it would all come down to who had the guns," said Tristan Moreland, a special agent with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

    Moreland testified he had seen much of Joos' more than 200 acre compound in rural McDonald County after a cooperating individual -- or civilian aide -- was able to gain the trust of two men with connections to Joos.

    Joos was arrested in late June as part of an investigation into a 2004 mail bombing in Scottsdale, Ariz., that injured a black city official. His federal trial got under way Monday at the federal courthouse in Springfield.

    Dennis and Daniel Mahon are in jail and awaiting trial in the bombing of that Arizona diversity office. Federal agents were able to locate phone records showing the first calls they made -- after allegedly mailing the bomb -- were to Joos.

    Federal agents started attempting to make contact with Joos after they learned the brothers reportedly spoke of Joos' southwest Missouri property as a training facility.

    Moreland was one of two undercover agents and the civilian aide who visited to compound twice in early 2009 to pose as allies to Joos. Moreland was undercover as a weapons dealer.

    "We generally just talked about anti-government belief and sometimes racial belief," he said.

    Moreland described seeing guns thinly veiled under sheets during his visits. He was also taken to at least 20 caves that Joos reportedly told him would serve as hideouts in case of attack.

    There were other caves, Moreland said, that Joos would not take the group to see -- specifically his own.

    "He said that it was his cave and it was where his main stockpile was," he testified.

    When the defense asked why the agent didn't poke around and try to find out more information, Moreland said, "It's disrespectful and a way to get yourself killed."

    A search warrant executed in June resulted in 15 guns being taken from the building assumed to be Joos' residence. It also yielded more than 19,000 ammunition rounds.

    Most of the guns taken from the property were long hunting rifles or shotguns. Most were loaded.

    Bomb-making substances, like fuses and blasting caps, were also found on the property. There was a file folder labeled "explosives" found in a filing cabinet containing pamphlets and instructions on bomb-making, officials testified Monday.

    Joos is charged with being a felon in possession of firearms, ammunition and explosives -- another felony. He has two prior felony convictions, one for unlawful use of a weapon and the other for driving without a license.

    At the time he was convicted for driving without a license, he contended that his religious beliefs did not permit him to have a driver's license.

    His religious beliefs also kept him from wearing civilian clothing in the courtroom Monday. He appeared in court in a jail-issued orange jumpsuit.

    Joos had not requested that his clothes -- which have fringe along the seams in what he said was accordance with biblical law -- be sent to the courtroom because he didn't think there would be a trial.

    Joos is an ordained minister and his church, the Sacerdotal Church of David, reportedly has been linked with the white supremacy movement.

    However -- prior to jury selection Monday -- Joos requested a gag order for the media, contending that any mention of ties to white supremacy would hurt his chances for a fair trial.

    Judge Richard Dorr did not grant a gag order but he asked potential jurors if they'd seen a local TV news report that called Joos a white supremacist.

    The trial began Monday with the defendant retracting his motion to replace his public defender. If granted, it would have been the second time Joos had requested a new attorney.

    He retained Darryl Johnson after the judge informed Joos that he would not grant another continuance. Two continuances have already been granted in the case.

    Joos said he wanted to represent himself with the defense that his prior convictions were a result of more than 30 years of government persecution. "I believe (the convictions) are false and I can prove it," he said.

    Dorr told Joos those convictions would have to be appealed. Joos answered that he already had and lost those appeals.

    Joos also wanted to call three witnesses for his defense. However, Johnson told the court that one of the men was dead, and the other two hadn't seen Joos in years.

    "In my strategy, that wouldn't add to the defense of Mr. Joos," he said.

    The prosecution presented seven witnesses Monday, most of whom were ATF agents. They testified to finding the guns in Joos' ownership, to his prior felony convictions and that the guns were the result of interstate commerce.

    The prosecution is expected to bring two more witnesses today.

    When U.S. attorney James Kelleher said he assumed the defense would not be presenting any witnesses since a witness list had not been presented, Johnson countered: "Don't assume anything."

    Johnson said he expected to be done presenting the defense by noon today.

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    Last edited by PastorLindstedt; 01-13-10 at 23:02.

  8. #8

    jewplin Glob -- jewry Finds Bob Joos Guilty -- 12Jan10

    jewplin Glob -- jewry Finds Bob Joos Guilty -- 12Jan10


    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...ted=1#post1416
    http://stumbleinn.net/forum/showthre...d=1#post231104
    http://cpm.freehostia.com/forum/show...ted=1#post2990
    http://www.originaldissent.com/forum...ed=1#post83655
    http://cjcc-an.blogspot.com/2010/01/...-bob-joos.html
    http://www.pastorlindstedt.org/blog/?p=840



    Quote Originally Posted by jewplin Glob

    Jurors return guilty verdict against Joos

    http://www.joplinglobe.com/local/loc...012223303.html

    Published January 12, 2010 10:33 pm - SPRINGFIELD, Mo. — It took jurors only nine minutes Tuesday to reach a guilty verdict against Robert Neil Joos Jr. Joos was convicted on a pair of federal weapons charges despite taking the stand in his own defense and denying ownership of the 15 firearms that authorities confiscated from his home last year.

    By Derek Spellman
    dspellman@joplinglobe.com

    SPRINGFIELD, Mo. — It took jurors only nine minutes Tuesday to reach a guilty verdict against Robert Neil Joos Jr.

    Joos was convicted on a pair of federal weapons charges despite taking the stand in his own defense and denying ownership of the 15 firearms that authorities confiscated from his home last year. Federal agents also seized 19,000 rounds of ammunition and some blasting caps from Joos’ rural McDonald County homestead, which authorities previously said was part of a 200-acre “retreat location” used by white supremacists.

    Denials

    Joos, a former Eagle Scout and Air Force Academy cadet, was the lone witness to testify in his own defense, taking the stand Tuesday against the advice of his defense attorney. He denied owning any of the guns that were found at his home during a June 2009 raid by dozens of state and federal law enforcement officers.

    “Some of that stuff I’ve never seen before,” he said, referring to the carts of weapons and ammunition that the prosecutor presented as exhibits.

    Joos also denied being an anti-government white supremacist, taking aim at testimony Monday by an undercover agent who recounted visits to Joos’ property and conversations with the defendant.

    Joos said he believes he has been persecuted by the government “ever since I started studying for the ministry.”

    He also alleged that he was prevented from presenting witnesses in his defense during the trial in U.S. District Court in Springfield. He made the same claim when he was convicted in McDonald County Circuit Court of operating a motor vehicle without a valid license several years ago. That felony conviction formed part of the basis of the federal charges of being a felon in possession of firearms and explosives.

    “The jury is never going to hear the whole truth,” Joos said.

    Defense contention

    Joos’ defense attorney, Darryl Johnson, contended that the government’s case suffered from “gaps” and “unanswered questions.”

    Federal prosecutors never showed Joos’ fingerprints on any of the weapons or ammunition, Johnson said. The property was actually owned by Joos’ family. At least several other people had access to the building where the weapons were found, and authorities never traced the ownership of the weapons themselves, Johnson said.

    Jim Kelleher, assistant U.S. attorney for the Western District of Missouri, countered that the case turned on possession, not ownership, of the materials. In his residence, Joos had 19,000 rounds of ammunition — enough to fill a Bass Pro Shops showroom, the prosecutor said.

    “It’s almost difficult to argue this case because the evidence of possession is overwhelming,” Kelleher told jurors.

    Biography

    Joos devoted much of his testimony to his personal biography and achievements. He said he was a St. Louis native and the son of a chiropractor, and that he excelled in academics, physical fitness and the Boy Scouts before entering the U.S. Air Force Academy. He spent 2 1/2 years there before he was discharged for failing an aeronautical engineering course, and he later graduated with a degree in engineering from Washington University in St. Louis, he said.

    He said he often worked as a handyman, in Colorado Springs, Colo., and later when he moved to McDonald County in the 1980s. He said that as an avid outdoorsman, he has always had a strong interest in recycling and sometimes served as a “consulting engineer” for “underground housing.”

    Joos said he was raised in the Lutheran faith and later became an ordained minister in the “Christian Israelite” faith. Long-bearded and long-haired, Joos said “vows” he has taken bar him from cutting his hair, drinking alcohol or taking drugs.

    He established a branch of the Christian Israelite faith in McDonald County called Sacerdotal Church of David. The church leases the 200-acre property from Joos’ family, and Joos described what federal authorities called his residence as an office for the church, replete with books on church law.

    ‘Front’

    Kelleher called the church a “front.”

    “Religion is Mr. Joos’ way to do what he wants,” he told jurors, saying that the defendant “fantasized about duking it out with the evil federal government.”

    Joos, 57, was identified during the trial as an associate of brothers Daniel and Dennis Mahon. The Mahons await trial in Arizona federal court in relation to a February 2004 mail bombing that injured Don Logan, the director of the diversity office for the city of Scottsdale, Ariz. Logan is a black man. Two others were injured in the attack.

    The Mahons, according to authorities, already knew Joos and had visited his property for firearms and other training.

    “The Mahons had said often, ‘You got to meet this guy,’” an undercover agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives testified Monday.

    Authorities said Joos also furnished undercover agents with instructions on how to make a bomb after one of the agents said he had a problem with some “Kenites.” Joos denied that allegation, too.

    Witnesses had described the 200-acre property as a remote compound near the community of Cyclone, between Powell and Pineville on Big Sugar Creek. Joos, the undercover agent said, referred to the caves on the property as potential defensive positions in case of a government attack.

    A sentencing hearing for Joos is still to be set. He faces a total of 20 years in prison. He has indicated that he plans to appeal his conviction.

    Last edited by PastorLindstedt; 01-13-10 at 23:19.

  9. #9

    Springfield jews-Liar -- Joos quickly convicted on weapons charges -- Jan 13, 10

    Springfield jews-Liar -- Joos quickly convicted on weapons charges -- Jan 13, 10


    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...=1417#post1417
    http://stumbleinn.net/forum/showthre...d=1#post231109
    http://cpm.freehostia.com/forum/show...ted=1#post2991
    http://www.originaldissent.com/forum...ed=1#post83657
    http://cjcc-an.blogspot.com/2010/01/...s-quickly.html
    http://www.pastorlindstedt.org/blog/?p=842



    Quote Originally Posted by Springfield jews-liar

    Joos quickly convicted on weapons charges
    Defendant's testimony focuses on religious views and alleged persecution.

    http://www.news-leader.com/article/2...eapons-charges
    It took jurors nine minutes of deliberation to convict Robert Joos, 56, of two federal weapons charges after half a day of talk on cursing, religion and Captain Chesley B. "Sully" Sullenberger.

    Joos was found guilty of being a felon in possession of firearms and a felon in possession of explosives. He faces a maximum of 20 years in federal prison and up to a $500,000 fine.

    He was arrested June 25 during the execution of a search warrant on his 200-acre property in McDonald County.

    Federal officials with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives had been investigating Joos after they discovered his connection with a pair of men who had bombed a diversity office in Scottsdale, Ariz.

    Joos was the first person Dennis and Daniel Mahon, the bombers, called after placing the bomb addressed to the director of the diversity office in 1994. The director, a black male, and two others were injured in the blast. The Mahons are awaiting trial.

    Joos took the stand as the defense's only witness on Tuesday, the second day of his trial.

    He described his apocalyptic religious views and his time at the Air Force Academy as a classmate of Sullenberger, the now-famous pilot who landed a plane in the Hudson River.

    Joos was calm until he was questioned by U.S. district attorney James Kelleher.

    When asked if he thought he still had an IQ of 156, Joos said, "I've lost a few points, but not enough not to know what these bastards have been doing to me," referring to the federal government.

    Joos said the government has been persecuting him because of his religious beliefs. "It's been 30 years of this, and I'm tired of this crap," he said.

    Joos called himself a Christian Israelite and a Nazarite.

    He denied being a white supremacist, despite his connections with the Mahons.

    He said his Nazarite beliefs mean that he can't cut his hair or drink alcohol and has to wear certain clothes described in the Bible.

    On Tuesday, Joos appeared in his clothing, which had fringes on the side seams. Joos had to appear in the jail's orange jumpsuit Monday because he didn't have his clothes.

    When asked to swear in before his testimony, he said he could not because biblical law prevented him from swearing. The word "affirm" was used instead.

    Kelleher said it was the government's opinion that Joos' religious views are a front.

    "Maybe you noticed Mr. Joos couldn't swear, but 15 minutes later he called the government a bunch of bastards," he said during his closing arguments. "The church is a way Mr. Joos gets to do what he wants."

    Joos later clarified that biblical law did not allow him to swear, but did not say anything against cussing.

    His attorney, Darryl Johnson, acknowledged that Joos' religious beliefs might be bizarre to some.

    "You might not like Bob's demeanor, Bob's dress, Bob's hair -- I don't like Bob's hair, it kept getting in my way during this trial," Johnson said during his closing statements. "You might not like his religious beliefs -- he's very devout -- but you cannot convict on religion."

    Joos spent most of his testimony refuting what an undercover agent with the ATF had testified.

    Tristan Moreland, or Jimmy as Joos knew him, was undercover as a weapons dealer who was interested in Joos' compound.

    Joos said he was trying to recruit for the church.

    Moreland testified on Monday that the two, along with another uncover agent and a civilian informant, talked about guns and explosives.

    Joos said he gave Moreland bomb-making instructions so that he could later turn Moreland in if the bomb was detonated.

    Agents testified in court they found 15 guns, mostly long hunting rifles, more than 19,000 round of ammunition and various bomb-making materials on the compound.

    "We're talking about the amount of ammunition you might find in Bass Pro's showroom," Kelleher said.

    All of the guns and ammunition were found in a building the prosecution referred to as the residence, but Joos said was part church office and part storage area.

    "People store their stuff there and it's not any of my business -- it's not my stuff," Joos said.

    During his closing statements, Kelleher again showed pictures of the guns as they had been placed before they were taken by ATF officials.

    There was one gun at the front door and two at the back door to the residence or office in the pictures. ATF officials said both were loaded, as were nine other guns found in the building.

    Kelleher said the fact that Joos was one of the few key-holders to that building meant that he was in possession of guns under the law.

    Joos had been convicted of two prior felonies -- one was unlawful use of a weapon and the other was driving without a license, which was elevated to a felony after multiple offenses.

    Joos said both were wrongful convictions, adding that he was in the process of filing federal appeals -- because he had used all of his state appeals -- when he was arrested.

    Joos is also expected to appeal this case.



    Last edited by PastorLindstedt; 01-13-10 at 23:32.

  10. #10

    KOAM-TV News -- SW Mo. man convicted on 2 weapons charges -- 13Jan10

    KOAM-TV News -- SW Mo. man convicted on 2 weapons charges -- 13Jan10

    http://whitenationalist.org/forum/sh...ted=1#post1418
    http://stumbleinn.net/forum/showthre...d=1#post231114
    http://cpm.freehostia.com/forum/show...ted=1#post2992
    http://www.originaldissent.com/forum...ed=1#post83658
    http://cjcc-an.blogspot.com/2010/01/...cted-on-2.html
    http://www.pastorlindstedt.org/blog/?p=844




    Quote Originally Posted by KOAM-TV News
    SW Mo. man convicted on 2 weapons charges

    Updated Jan 12, 2010 - 4:10 PM CST

    http://www.koamtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=10601717

    Robert Joos mug shot from 2004

    SPRINGFIELD, Mo. (AP) - A southwest Missouri man arrested as part of an investigation of white supremacists has been convicted on federal weapons charges.

    Robert Joos of rural McDonald County was found guilty in U.S. District Court on Tuesday of being a felon in possession of weapons and explosives. Joos has previous convictions for unlawful use of a weapon and driving without a license.

    The trial began Monday in Springfield. Jurors deliberated briefly after the testimony concluded Tuesday afternoon.

    Joos was arrested in June as part of an investigation into a 2004 mail bombing in Scottsdale, Ariz., that injured a black city official. Two Illinois brothers were charged in the bombing and
    have pleaded innocent.

    Joos wasn't charged in the bombing. But the Illinois men told investigators white supremacists used land where Joos lived as a "retreat" for training.



    Updated Jan 11, 2010 - 5:15 PM CST

    The trial began Monday for a self-proclaimed white supremacist from McDonald County, Missouri accused on a weapons charge.

    Jury selection got under way in the case of Robert Joos.

    Joos was arrested as part of an investigation into a 2004 mail bombing in Scottsdale, Arizona that injured the Director of a Diversity Office.

    Joos was not charged in that crime.

    The case ties the alleged bombers to Robert Joos, and to alleged illegal activity at his McDonald County militia compound.



    Updated Sept. 22, 2009 - 4:40 PM CST

    A Four State white supremacist makes an appearance in federal court.

    Robert Joos, 56, of McDonald County was arraigned in Springfield, Missouri on Tuesday.

    He plead not guilty.

    He is charged with being a felon in possession of a weapon.

    Federal marshals say he had at least 15 weapons of different calibers along with ammunition.

    Joos was arrested as part of an investigation into a 2004 mail bombing in Scottsdale, Arizona, that injured the director of a diversity office.



    Updated July 9, 2009 - 5:34 PM CST

    On Wednesday a U.S. chief magistrate judge ordered Robert Joos of rural McDonald County held without bond on a charge of being a felon in possession of firearms.

    Joos was arrested as part of an investigation into a 2004 mail bombing in Scottsdale, Arizona that injured the director of a diversity office.

    Prosecutors allege that the first call one of the suspects made after the bombing was to Joos.



    Updated June 26, 2009 - 6:14 PM CST

    Robert Joos, 56, of McDonald County, Missouri is charged with being a felon in possession of a firearm.

    He was arrested during a federal investigation into a bombing incident that injured a city official in Scottsdale, Arizona.

    The official was the Director of Diversity and Dialogue for the city.

    He was also a black man.

    Joos is a known white supremacist.

    Federal authorities say undercover agents found firearms and ammunition at his 200 acre compound in McDonald County.

    Joos has not been charged in the bombing incident.




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