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    Sam Francis - Southern Secessionism: An Infantile Disorder

    "Why, we could lick them in a month!" boasts the hot-headed
    Stuart Tarleton soon after the Confederates fire on Fort Sumter in
    Margaret Mitchell's Gone with the Wind. "Gentlemen always fight
    better than rabble. A month -- why, one battle." At that point,
    young Mr. Tarleton's naive and tedious boasting is interrupted by
    Rhett Butler, a rather darker character in Mitchell's novel than
    the swashbuckling playboy created by Clark Gable on the screen.
    Butler coolly points out that the Southerners do not possess what
    modern strategists would call the industrial and logistical infra-
    structure with which a modern war must be fought -- the cannon
    factories, iron foundries, railroads, and woolen and cotton mills
    that the North has in abundance. "But, of course," he concludes,
    with the sarcastic smirk that is ever on his lips, "you gentlemen
    have thought of these things."

    But of course they hadn't thought of those things, at least
    the fictional cavaliers gathered at John Wilkes' barbecue that
    spring day in 1861, and if the leaders of the new Confederacy had
    thought about them more, too many other Southerners failed to give
    such mundane matters the consideration they merited. What they
    did think about was the glories of the coming conflict and the
    rights they were going to vindicate by force of arms, and within a
    few years and a few more battles than Stuart Tarleton had
    anticipated, he and his twin brother were dead, along with most of
    the others who had listened to them, the Confederacy itself, and
    the society on which it rested. As for Rhett Butler, he not only
    survived but flourished, confident in his philosophy that there
    are two times when a man can easily make a fortune for himself --
    once when a civilization rises, and once when a civilization
    falls.

    Today, 130 years after the disasters to which the chatter of
    valiant fools like Stuart Tarleton led, secessionism purports to
    rise from the ashes, this time embodied mainly in the League of
    the South, of which most of the editors of this magazine except me
    appear to members. Its leaders foreswear the use of violence, so
    we need not anticipate that the results will be similar -- at
    least not until a good many more Southerners sign up than seem to
    have done so in the four years of the League's existence and until
    the federal government pays more attention to them than it has
    done to date. Nevertheless, if the physical extermination of
    600,000 white men over the burning issue of whether four million
    black men are to be slaves or serfs is not on the agenda this
    time, secessionism promises to be no less a disaster for those of
    the American right than it was for the pretty belles and beaux of
    Mitchell's novel. It is unfortunate that many of those gentlemen
    most dedicated to secession seem not to have thought of the
    weaknesses of their position any more than the guests at the
    Wilkes barbecue had.

    Two main forces appear to drive the resurrection of Southern
    secessionism. In the first place, the American right as a serious
    political movement has collapsed, leaving its most dedicated
    adherents with no obvious vehicle for pursuing its goals of
    dismantling the federal leviathan and ending the cultural and
    demographic inundation of the South and the rest of the nation.
    In the second place, a concerted onslaught against Southern and
    Confederate symbols and traditions, most clearly represented in
    the attacks on public display of the Confederate Battle Flag,
    rightly excites the wrath of Southerners who remain loyal to the
    memory of the Confederacy and the culture that the flag and the
    war have come to represent. Correctly lacking any confidence in
    the Republican Party or the neo-conservative-dominated
    "conservative movement," Southerners of the right have decided to
    chuck it all and set off on their own, with the goal of invoking
    the traditions and identity of their own land and culture as the
    basis for resisting federal tyranny and their own racial and
    cultural destruction.

    Yet neither of these two forces provides an adequate
    justification for secession, and neither suggests any realistic
    prospect of success. There are, to put it simply, two strong
    reasons why secession, for the South or any other part of the
    nation, is not a good idea. In the first place, it is not
    practical; in the second place, even if it were practical, it
    would not be desirable.

    Leaders of Southern secessionism often point to sister
    movements abroad -- to secessionist movements in Northern Italy,
    Quebec, Scotland, the Balkans, and other places -- as well as to
    perennial discussions and controversies about a kind of secession
    in various states, cities, and regions in this country. Both the
    foreign movements and those in the United States are irrelevant to
    what Southerners actually propose, however. Abroad, where
    secessionism has gathered significant support, it has done so
    because those pushing it can claim to be the heirs of real and
    ancient nations or at least of subnational regions that exhibit
    far more distinctiveness than the American South, today or at any
    time in its history, can claim. Scotland, Quebec, the Balkan
    peoples, and even Northern Italy all can boast of distinctive
    linguistic, religious, ethnic, and historical heritages, far more
    distinctive than those of the South, and some can point to some
    period in their past when they actually constituted autonomous
    states. Indeed, compared to some of these nations or regions, the
    American South under close scrutiny begins to vanish as a cultural
    unity. There is at least as much difference between Tidewater
    Virginia and East Tennessee or between northern and southern
    Louisiana as there is between Scotland and England or Northern and
    Southern Italy today.

    Within the United States, the periodic demands for breaking
    Staten Island off from New York City or East Kansas from West
    Kansas or Southern California from Northern California are not
    secessionist movements in the same sense as what the Southerners
    advocate. None of these other movements contemplates leaving the
    national political unity of the United States, and how they re-
    arrange or fail to re-arrange their own borders and jurisdictions
    is largely a matter of their own concern. It makes sense that
    over time some borders and jurisdictions will become outmoded, and
    to redraw the map every now and then to suit contemporary
    interests and needs is unobjectionable. But it is not secession
    in the sense that Southerners and most dictionaries use the term,
    and to cite such movements (none of which has so far been
    successful) as examples of the rising dissatisfaction with the
    unified nation-state is fallacious.

    Nor do contemporary Southern secessionists make any
    compelling case for the separation of their own region from the
    larger national unity. Historically, the Southern people have had
    an arguable case for separation, and in 1860, with the prospect of
    their slave-powered economy being gradually gutted by Northern
    dominance, their case was more arguable than ever, though even
    then there was less than a universal consensus in the South for
    separation. Today, that case simply does not apply. Today, the
    modern South has probably profited from federal largesse more than
    most other regions, and the argument for States' Rights, which
    Southerners invoked from Jefferson to George Wallace, is silenced
    by the demands of Southern politicians for more farm subsidies,
    more defense contracts, more military bases, more federal
    highways, and -- if we include blacks as Southerners, which the
    League readily does -- more "civil rights," more affirmative
    action, more federal marshals to enforce them, and more welfare.
    To find out how practical secessionism is in the South today,
    visit any large Southern city -- Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville,
    Richmond, Dallas, Fort Worth, let alone New Orleans and Miami --
    and ask yourself if the residents (even those who are still
    recognizably American) are ready for another Pickett's Charge.
    It's all conservative Southerners can do to keep the Battle Flag
    flying and Confederate monuments from being obliterated, and the
    most vociferous enemies of the flag and the monuments are not the
    "Yankees" of yore or even the federal government but Southerners
    themselves, either the manipulated blacks of the NAACP or white
    Southerners of Confederate antecedents like South Carolina's
    Republican Governor David Beasley. The South today and the
    Southerners who inhabit it are simply too well connected to
    Washington and the rest of the nation to contemplate any serious
    movement for the national independence of their region.

    But even if secession were possible, it would be a bad idea.
    Today, the main political line of division in the United States
    is not between the regions of North and South (in so far as such
    regions can still be said to exist) but between elite and non-
    elite. As I have tried to make plain in columns in this magazine
    and many other places for the last fifteen years, the elite, based
    in Washington, New York, and a few large metropolises, allies with
    the underclass against Middle Americans, who pay the taxes, do the
    work, fight the wars, suffer the crime, and endure their own
    political and cultural dispossession at the hands of the elite and
    its underclass vanguard. Today, the greatest immediate danger to
    Middle America and the European-American civilization to which it
    is heir lies in the importation of a new underclass from the Third
    World through mass immigration. The danger is in part economic,
    in part political, and in part cultural, but it is also in part
    racial, pure and simple. The leaders of the alien underclass, as
    well as those of the older black underclass, invoke race in
    explicit terms, and they leave no doubt that their main enemy is
    the white man and his institutions and patterns of belief.
    The only prospect of resisting the domination of the Ruling
    Class and its anti-white and anti-Western allies in the underclass
    is through Middle American solidarity, a solidarity that must
    transcend the differentiations of region, class, religion, party,
    and ideology. White Southerners are a vital part of the Middle
    American core, as are their northern counterparts, and neither is
    the enemy of the other. Both regional sections of Middle America
    face the same threats, experience much the same problems, and
    ought to be joined in the same political-cultural movement to meet
    the threat together.

    If, however, Southerners were to secede, they would be
    engulfed by the same forces that threaten the nation as a whole.
    By the year 2020, the Census Bureau reports, the only parts of the
    South that will have more than a 75 percent white population will
    be a thin strip of western Virginia, most of Tennessee, and
    northern Arkansas; the rest of the region, especially Texas and
    the Deep South, will be dominated by populations more than 50
    percent non-white, in some places far more. Dr. Brent Nelson has
    calculated that even today, even if 80 percent of the white
    population of South Carolina were to support secession in a
    referendum, that would amount to only 55 percent of the state's
    total population.

    I mention this racial dimension of the secession controversy not
    because of the obvious conflicts that will arise in its wake but to
    suggest that the majority populations of the South in the near future
    will either be blacks, who have only hostile memories of what secession
    and the historic South meant to them and their ancestors, or Hispanics,
    who will sympathize with secession only if it means union with Mexico. It
    is unlikely that either the black or the Hispanic populations will
    evince much sympathy for Jefferson Davis and his legacy.
    But the racial composition of the future South is significant
    also because the racial consciousness and solidarity non-whites
    will exhibit is already plain, in the frenetic, hate-driven
    language of their leaders and organizational vehicles, in their
    political behavior, and in the whole fabric of their subculture.
    It is a consciousness that readily identifies whites as an enemy
    and their institutions and values as alien and oppressive.
    The only prospect of white Middle American resistance to this
    racial and political engulfment is our own solidarity; instead of
    snorting at white Northerners as "Yankees" who lack good table
    manners and the rudiments of culture, white Southerners should be
    standing firm with them in opposition to more immigration and more
    domination by the federal leviathan that serves as the political
    instrument of the overclass-underclass alliance.

    The key to resisting that domination does not lie in resort
    to the dormant right of secession but in revival of the real
    federalism to which both Southerners and Northerners subscribed at
    the time the Constitution was ratified. It may be argued that the
    10th Amendment is itself dormant, but it remains more alive than
    secessionism. The Supreme Court has cited the 10th Amendment in
    striking down a federal gun control law in the Lopez case in 1994
    and the Brady law last year, and even poor old Bob Dole used to
    brag about carrying a copy of the amendment around in his vest
    pocket. Of course Mr. Dole didn't understand or care what the
    amendment meant, but the fact that even he would invoke it means
    that it remains a living part of our Constitution. With its
    revival as a serious political tool, most of the dangerous and
    stupid overgrowth of the federal leviathan would disappear, and
    its disappearance would be welcomed not only by Southerners but by
    most Middle Americans of other regions who suffer from it.
    I do not, of course, believe that secessionism will prosper
    as a serious political movement, but I do worry that it will
    prosper to the point of becoming a serious political distraction -
    - a distraction from the imperative that Middle Americans now face
    of constructing their own autonomous political movement that can
    take back their nation rather than assisting the new underclass
    and the globalist Ruling Class in breaking it up. The time left
    for us to do so is shorter than it has ever been in our history,
    and until we outgrow the infantile disorder that secessionism
    offers, the construction cannot begin. If the gentlemen who talk
    of secession have not yet thought of these things, I invite them to do so soon.

    http://www.samfrancis.net/pdf/all1998.pdf
    Posted with the thread White nationalism vs. Southron nationalism in mind.

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    Re: Sam Francis - Southern Secessionism: An Infantile Disorder

    okieredust,

    A great article...
    If, however, Southerners were to secede, they would be
    engulfed by the same forces that threaten the nation as a whole.
    By the year 2020, the Census Bureau reports, the only parts of the
    South that will have more than a 75 percent white population will
    be a thin strip of western Virginia, most of Tennessee, and
    northern Arkansas; the rest of the region, especially Texas and
    the Deep South, will be dominated by populations more than 50
    percent non-white, in some places far more. Dr. Brent Nelson has
    calculated that even today, even if 80 percent of the white
    population of South Carolina were to support secession in a
    referendum, that would amount to only 55 percent of the state's
    total population.
    Remember Marxists killed 100,000,000 people from 1900 to 2000 all for the "brotherhood of Man."
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    Re: Sam Francis - Southern Secessionism: An Infantile Disorder

    What SN might reply with is that all votes are not created equally - we wouldn't give the blacks a voice.

    They'd have some real power but far less than their numbers might suggest.

    Not to say I disagree with Francis (nor do I oppose secession when the time's right)... but that point helps reduce some of the bias.

    It's interesting that in Britain the leftists support secessionist parties so as to get the Celts and the English fighting, and thus ignoring the third world invasion and encroaching EU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank View Post
    What SN might reply with is that all votes are not created equally - we wouldn't give the blacks a voice.

    They'd have some real power but far less than their numbers might suggest.

    Not to say I disagree with Francis... but that point helps reduce some of the bias.
    And how are you going to get this great power - to decide whether or not to give blacks a voice, when right now even some of us at this forum seem reduced to hoping blacks will be kind enough to give us the voices we now lack (re with Obama).

    Sounds to me there are some more things "that need to be thought of".

    Sounds to me in fact like Sammy was being too kind - today's "Southern Nationalists" make Stuart Tarleton seem like a model of honesty, realism, self-reflection, and self- criticism. Even if the average WN's are hardly any better.

    Eventually I'll probably move up to West Virginia - I think that's where the South's last stand will be, if it wasn't in 1865.
    The poorest state in the Union?

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    Re: Sam Francis - Southern Secessionism: An Infantile Disorder

    "Why, we could lick them in a month!" boasts the hot-headed
    Stuart Tarleton soon after the Confederates fire on Fort Sumter in
    Margaret Mitchell's Gone with the Wind."


    Sam Francis starts his article out by quoting a fictious character from a novel. If indeed, SN groups, are of the same mentality, why not just quote them?

    Sam is dead.

    Seceding California (or part of it), New Mexico, Arizona, Texas to Mexico is in fact a real possibilty with the way things are going.

    I don't think he could write that article today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWRWinger View Post
    "Why, we could lick them in a month!" boasts the hot-headed
    Stuart Tarleton soon after the Confederates fire on Fort Sumter in
    Margaret Mitchell's Gone with the Wind."


    Sam Francis starts his article out by quoting a fictious character from a novel. If indeed, SN groups, are of the same mentality, why not just quote them?
    He references them - that's what the whole article is about.

    Sam is dead.
    So is the ante-bellum South, or anything remotely resembling it.

    Seceding California (or part of it), New Mexico, Arizona, Texas to Mexico is in fact a real possibilty with the way things are going.

    I don't think he could write that article today.
    Did you read the article? He discusses that possibility specifically.

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    Re: Sam Francis - Southern Secessionism: An Infantile Disorder

    Quote Originally Posted by okieredust View Post
    And how are you going to get this great power - to decide whether or not to give blacks a voice, when right now even some of us at this forum seem reduced to hoping blacks will be kind enough to give us the voices we now lack (re with Obama).
    Right, I'm hoping blacks provoke a white reaction - ethnic conflict happens frequently the world over.

    Sounds to me there are some more things "that need to be thought of".

    Sounds to me in fact like Sammy was being too kind - today's "Southern Nationalists" make Stuart Tarleton seem like a model of honesty, realism, self-reflection, and self- criticism. Even if the average WN's are hardly any better.
    And just what is your realistic alternative strategy?

    The poorest state in the Union?
    Now, why should that matter? It's one of the whitest, and its hills would be easily defended. If it came down to defending some area, if no national solution prevailed, poor whites holding hilly terrain would be the best one could hope for.

    You're telling me the Taliban has more money? It's whupping US troops right now. Same goes with Iraqi militias. Whites can fight too.

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    The reason West Virginia is still white is probably largely because it is poor. The moment money flows in, Jews and other minorities will follow.

    The only people living in WV right now are those who like the place - real West Virginians that is.

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    Re: Sam Francis - Southern Secessionism: An Infantile Disorder

    I agree with Francis regarding Southern secession: now isn't the time, and we need to get along with American whites.

    However, we can set up separate institutions etc.

    The most important thing Southrons need to do is to throw out all of the liberals who currently infest the movement, or establish a new movement. As it stands, the Southron movement has a leftist tinge to it - they just love to point at Lincoln and call him a racist...

    I suspect some of them simply wish to confuse and misdirect Southern whites by painting Yankees and Yankee racism as the great enemy. Yankees are to blame for a lot to be sure, but we need to work together with any whites who'll help repel the nonwhite invasion.

    We've more in common with Yankee whites than we do with Southern blacks. And as long as we're both under the same government, we need to work together on at least issues of immigration.

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    Re: Sam Francis - Southern Secessionism: An Infantile Disorder

    This is a good point:

    We can establish separate institutions, communities, culture, etc. and seek to restore the South without fomenting anti-Yankee white sentiment. There's no need to hate the North too strongly - we should wish to secede (in the distant future after the US has been secured, or after it's become hopeless...) because of what we are, not because of what we aren't. Nationalism often is formed by defining what a people aren't, but this doesn't have to be the case, or if it does (which is quite depressing because of what it says about human nature and the meaninglessness of such irrational ties which we believe to be so important) then we can maintain a sort of moderate hatred...

    There is very likely an attempt in the US just as there is in Europe of a divide and conquer strategy. Liberals have likely entered the Southern movement in an attempt at dividing American whites against themselves, thus preventing their uniting to acquire the political power that is currently ours for the taking, if only a movement were to gather in popularity (I mean whites have the numbers and the resources.)

    We simply need to remove these liberals from the Southern movement and proclaim that we're seeking to work with other whites in the US for the time being.

    The lewrockwell Southrons are damn communists as far as I'm concerned. They're "anti-racial" and extremely liberal - far greater enemies of the South than any Yankee, despite the flags they like to fly. They are the Lincolns of today.

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